tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36275473.post4615841649413279816..comments2024-02-17T00:59:45.119-08:00Comments on Coyote Angry: Progressives Please Calm DownNot Your Mamahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18318206435043475411noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36275473.post-22301515969549501902007-05-26T11:06:00.000-07:002007-05-26T11:06:00.000-07:00Unfortunately you're both right. Apathy is the bi...Unfortunately you're both right. Apathy is the biggest obstacle democracy faces.TomCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11397335545286040472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36275473.post-65969276740666519972007-05-25T09:15:00.000-07:002007-05-25T09:15:00.000-07:00There's the answer. When even the most vocal anti-...There's the answer. When even the most vocal anti-war Dems are not interested in taking any decisive action how can any reasonable person expect elected representatives to do so? It's all just talk and I'm not feelin' it anymore.Not Your Mamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18318206435043475411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36275473.post-73588066771897614292007-05-24T18:46:00.000-07:002007-05-24T18:46:00.000-07:00All this talk of Repubs v. Dems and who holds the ...All this talk of Repubs v. Dems and who holds the best cards is merely a continuation of the same old ballgame mentality. If Democrats are genuine in their desire to support what they say was a mandate from the people, they should have stood for what they believed, rather than try to "play politics". It's time politicians learned that governing is not about about "playing" at anything. It's a deadly serious business where values matter. And the values are dictated, not by them, but by the electorate. I support your call for a general strike, but given the apathy of most of your countrymen, have to smile at the very suggestion. Nevertheless, I admire you for even suggesting it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36275473.post-32070267444374095732007-05-24T14:56:00.000-07:002007-05-24T14:56:00.000-07:00This was my comment on another blog:Then we need t...This was my comment on another blog:<BR/><BR/><I>Then we need to strike. <BR/><BR/>This from me who has had 3 of her own serve, one still serving. <BR/><BR/>Fighting each other to the death over a bill that will only provide funding until September is only going to weaken our hands and strenghten the war party. <BR/><BR/>If we are serious about getting our troops out then we put our money where our mouths are and just do it.</I>Not Your Mamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18318206435043475411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36275473.post-23866244362543322582007-05-24T14:47:00.000-07:002007-05-24T14:47:00.000-07:00True enough, I just don't believe this bill as it ...True enough, I just don't believe this bill as it is written is as relevant as people are making it. If I'm wrong on that, well, I'll figure that out soon enough I'm sure. <BR/><BR/>It provides funding up until September. <BR/><BR/>Ok, ideally we would leave before then but reality is that short of overthrowing the current administration that is not going to happen. Regardless of this bill passing or not we are likely to be there come September. <BR/><BR/>The difference will be whether or not come September the bulk of Americans blame our failure to improve the situation in Iraq on the responsible parties (Bush & Co.) or on the Democratic party for "tying the military's hands". <BR/><BR/>That doesn't make me happy. I cried in 2000 when Bush was elected. I knew it was going to be a terrible time for this country. I had no idea it would be this terrible. Given my way, he would never have held office or at the very least we would have removed him years ago. <BR/><BR/>The bill is probably going to pass with or without any Democratic support so I'm not seeing where blaming it all on Pelosi and Reid or any other politician is going to be productive at all. <BR/><BR/>Blame it on the guilty parties and that would be all of us. If we were serious we'd have staged a national strike by now and been long out of there.<BR/><BR/>There's the harsh truth, most Americans like to bitch but they don't really care all that much. Convince them gas will be 10 cents a gallon if we leave Iraq and they'll be marching naked in the streets.Not Your Mamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18318206435043475411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36275473.post-61209579147221707772007-05-24T12:57:00.000-07:002007-05-24T12:57:00.000-07:00This matter is far beyond mere partisan advantage....This matter is far beyond mere partisan advantage. There are things with which one simply must not "go along to get along"; this is one of them.This matter is far beyond mere partisan advantage. There are things with which one simply must not "go along to get along"; this is one of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36275473.post-44196072955645118272007-05-24T12:31:00.000-07:002007-05-24T12:31:00.000-07:00Truth there...Dems will get blamed either way, tha...Truth there...Dems will get blamed either way, that's the way it's been done for decades. Look at what's happening right now...Pelosi and Reid are getting 90% of the blame for this when the problem is not chiefly them, it's with a large contingent of the Dems who were elected this last cycle. Pelosi didn't betray us, the voters did. <BR/><BR/>I never really bought the "new Congress in town" bs. It made a lovely sound bite but it was not true. I looked at the Dems who managed to squeak through in many cases and it was more a case of their state voters picking a "less conservative Republican" than a Democratic victory. We didn't really "win" so much as Repubs lost. Look, our "Democratic victory" was Jim Webb???? If I were a believer I'd have started praying right then. <BR/><BR/>Dems COULD keep sending the same bill back through...how long do you suppose they could keep doing that before most of America turned on them and we lost not only this fight but also the next election? <BR/><BR/>I wouldn't bet on very long because we have a reactive, redneck, dumbass population in about 6 or 7 out of 10 cases.Not Your Mamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18318206435043475411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36275473.post-83561955671100547402007-05-24T11:14:00.000-07:002007-05-24T11:14:00.000-07:00I have no intention of deserting the Democratic Pa...I have no intention of deserting the Democratic Party, but that does not keep me from feeling betrayed. What happened to, <EM>"There's a new Congress in town"</EM> (Nancy Pelosi)? What you said about not getting a bill with time-lines passed is true. We could not overcome a veto. So if we keep sending back the same bill, and Bush keeps vetoing it, that's a stalemate. Would some voters blame the Dems? Sure! Would more blame Bush? I think so. One thing playing chess taught me is that when the best you can get is a stalemate take it, rather than tip over your king. If this bill passes, Congress will have sent Bush a powerful message: megalomania works.TomCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11397335545286040472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36275473.post-10980796645410280022007-05-24T00:48:00.000-07:002007-05-24T00:48:00.000-07:00It's blatantly clear to most, even to the majority...It's blatantly clear to most, even to the majority of the Americans, that this occupation never had any logical reason or need to happen. This absurd and totally counter productive fiasco has absolutely no rhyme or reason to continue a day longer. To inflict such an horrendous punishment on people that deserve it as much as you and I, is so evil and wrong, that I am hardly able to find words to discribe it. Millions displaced, tens of thousands dead, tens of thousands maimed, country in ruins, rampant deceases and injuries untreated, no water power or sanitation and no hope for the scared, huddled masses. And this is for...sorry, I don't even know for what? <BR/><BR/>No, I am sorry, but now finally is the time to do the right thing and stop this hair-brained, never ending nightmare which has and will accomplish ziltch. Maybe not ziltch, for armament industry, all sorts of hangers-on in and around the neocon business interests, religious grazies on both sides and some shady political characters in the Middle East have obviously done very well. For the rest of us, we have the new world to deal with and it isn't improved one.<BR/><BR/>Bush-Cheney gang has played their deadly game long enough for us to be able to see that the same old same old will keep going on. This is absolutely not acceptable for anybody who has an human heart. Since the bunch in the White House lacks the said organ, everything possible should be done to start at least investigation in the possibility to impeach both the president and the vice-president. The unjustifiable mayhem simply cannot be allowed to continue for another two or so years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36275473.post-62467281271176746642007-05-23T19:38:00.000-07:002007-05-23T19:38:00.000-07:00OP: "we" = shorthand for American voters as a grou...OP: "we" = shorthand for American voters as a group in general. That is the way "we" roll.<BR/><BR/>RJ: going to have to, at some point soon there will not be enough troops left to send and no politician planning to maintain a career will go through with a draft. <BR/><BR/>Then there is the problem that I haven't seen addressed: do we REALLY want to pull out while Dubya is still at the helm? <BR/><BR/>Personally, as much as I want us out, I do not. We need Dubya out and I believe that is much of the holdup, if it makes me nervous I 'spect I am not the only one.Not Your Mamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18318206435043475411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36275473.post-62359975828544102502007-05-23T18:28:00.000-07:002007-05-23T18:28:00.000-07:00Absolutely. If there's one thing this administrati...Absolutely. If there's one thing this administration has been good at, it's divide and conquer. And, not just this administration. So long as party politics in America is treated similarly to a ballgame, with fans screaming loudly, each for their own side, it will always be the same. It is about time the American people realized their politicians have been taking them for a ride for a very long time. This administration has just been more blatant about it than most of the others. Almost certainly, an indication that the real controllers, the corporates, are gaining confidence that the American people can be hoodwinked ever more easily. It's time for America to unite, but frankly I doubt it will ever happen. Also, I'm not so sure about your last paragraph. America has more at stake in Iraq than was the case in Vietnam. Any president who opposes the corporates and pulls troops out will be brave indeed. Given the shower presently offering themselves for election on both sides (with the possible exception of Obama and Richardson, neither of whom has a chance of winning) I really can't see it happening.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36275473.post-13128045593671153532007-05-23T17:54:00.000-07:002007-05-23T17:54:00.000-07:00I agree, but who is this "we" you keep talking abo...I agree, but who is this "we" you keep talking about? :-)Omnipotent Poobahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16902313824358840026noreply@blogger.com